On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Sam Hartman wrote:

> Dean, I'm confused here.
>
> Why are you filing an appeal? Filing appeals tends to make everyone
> grumpy and tends to increase the confrontation level of the whole
> situation.

I think the document furthers a fraud, and in particular furthers a fraud that
David Kessens and Brian Carpenter are personally involved in perpertrating,
along with the principal authors and advocates: Karrenberg and ISC.

> Based on your message it sounds like what you're trying to do is to
> ask the IETF community to modify the document because you believe the
> document has significant technical problems.

I'm asking the IESG to fix the problem of integrity in its documents and its
processes. (and I suppose its staff).

> It sounds like you think the working group already should have dealt
> with your comments. That may or may not be true. But does it matter?
> IT seems like most of your goals would be met if your comments were
> dealt with, regardless of whether or not it was done at an ietf level
> or at a working group level.

At this time, I don't think there is any safe notion of stateful Anycast. There
is no research or testing or use whatsoever that supports it, despite contrary
assurances given to operators by Karrenberg via his Nanog Presentation, and
similarly false assurances given by ISC.

The operations community has been entirely misled.

Critics, like myself, have been silenced or intimidated. (evidence abounds)

> so, if your goal is to get your comments dealt with, I think there is
> a simpler and much more productive path you could take. Send your
> comments to iesg@ietf.org (and copy gro if you like) as last call
> comments.
>
> doing so does not prevent you from filing an appeal later if the IESG
> approves the document and you still believe that there are significant
> technical problems. Obviously I'd ask you to work towards compromise.

As you can already see, Kessens will intervene to prevent any discussion of the
fraudulent report (and has already). The IESG has an opportunity to clean
house. But if it fails, I'll continue the process--including taking the issue
out of the ISOC altogether.

--Dean

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