From dean@av8.com
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:38:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
Cc: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>, iesg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Status? Appeal Re: grow: Last Call: 'Operation of Anycast
Services' to BCP (draft-ietf-grow-anycast) (fwd)


As specified in the original appeal, there are several related issues. I am
appealing the WG decision, as described in the first part of my Appeal. I am
also appealing Mr. Kessens decision to "last call it", as described in the
latter part. The draft-ietf-grow-anycast document is part of a fraud
perpetrated by Mr. Kessens, Mr. Carpenter, and others, as described in the
Appeal.

There is no confusion because the related matters are all related and appealed,
under RFC2026 Section 6.5.1 and under RFC2026 Section 6.5.2. As I wrote in the
Appeal: "An appeal is therefore registered under Section 6.5.1 and 6.5.2 of RFC
2026."

Since I am also accusing Mr. Kessens of wrongdoing, his decision is appealed to
full IESG. In other words, Kessens decision to "last call it" is also being
appealed to the full IESG. In anycase, Kessens has already indicated that he
does not accept any wrongdoing, so his decision can be appealed to the full
IESG.

I see no reason that there should be any unusual confusion about Appealing an
A.D. decision to the full IESG under RFC2026. I see no reason for any confusion
whatsoever. The Appeal implicitly seeks the annullment of those decisions. And
obviously, where cause is found, corrective action should be taken for
inappropriate behavior by WG Chair, IESG members, and the IESG Chair.

I will shortly submit an amended appeal.

However, as a matter of process, I believe you should list the original June 2
appeal on the IESG website. The emails on this subject represent IESG activity
on the Appeal.

If you continue to reject the appeal, then that too should be listed on the IESG
website. In that case, I will appeal the rejection decision to the IAB.

I note again that Mr. Carpenter is accused of wrongdoing in the Appeal, and in
related matters, yet continues to use his position as IESG chair to influence
the consideration of these charges. This is additional wrongdoing.

I note again that Mr. Kessens is accused of wrongdoing in the Appeal, and in
related matters, yet continues to use his position as A.D. to influence the
consideration of these charges. This is additional wrongdoing.


Dean Anderson
Av8 Internet, Inc


On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Dean,
>
> I am still at a loss how to proceed. Can you answer Sam's implied question:
>
> >> Perhaps you are appealing the decision of the IESG to issue a last
> >> call on the anycast bcp.
>
> Is that the decision you wish to appeal?
>
> Brian
>
>
> Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>>>"Dean" == Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > Dean> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > >> >>>>> "Dean" == Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> writes:
> > >>
> > >> Dean, here I'm speaking as an individual and I suspect some IESG
> > >> members may agree with me and others may disagree.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > Dean> I misunderstood you. I thought that the "almost certain to
> > Dean> appeal" meant an appeal should be accepted now.
> > >>
> > >> So, when there are two paths to resolving an issue--one confrontational and
> > >> one reasonably cordial we try and choose the cordial path.
> >
> > Dean> This has nothing whatsoever to do with cordial vs confrontational. This has to
> > Dean> do with following process. I have filed an Appeal.
> >
> > OK. If you want to be formal, it is my opinion that your appeal
> > should be rejected because it does not clearly state which decision
> > you are appealing.
> >
> > If you were to follow up to your appeal and ask for it to be
> > considered as an appeal and clearly state what decision you are
> > appealing then I agree we are obligated to consider it as an appeal.
> >
> > Perhaps you are appealing the decision of the IESG to issue a last
> > call on the anycast bcp.
> >
> >
> > I'm honestly not sure whether you would need to appeal such a decision
> > to David or to the whole IESG. According to RFC 2026, it is the IESG
> > who makes a decision to last call a document. However the IESG
> > delegates that to individual IESG members.
> >
> > Perhaps Brian and or David can shed light on whether they would like
> > such an appeal to start at David or to start at the ISEG [sic] chair.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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