From pbaker@verisign.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:07:57 -0700
From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@verisign.com>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Subject: RE: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in
IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

It was Randy Bush who was simultaneously Routing AD and DNSEXT chair.

When the WG decided on things he did not like he invented processes to block them.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Anderson [mailto:dean@av8.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:13 PM
> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Subject: RE: are we willing to do change how we do
> discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)
>
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
>
> > > From: Jeffrey Hutzelman [mailto:jhutz@cmu.edu]
> >
> > > > I do think that there should be a fixed rule
> prohibiting members
> > > > of the IESG being WG chairs. I would also include the IETF
> > > chair in this.
> > >
> > > I don't. While I agree this should be a rare occurrance, I have
> > > seen no evidence of a problem that such a rule would be
> intended to
> > > address. If it's not broken, why spend time trying to "fix" it?
> >
> > I was unable to appeal to the IESG against what I
> considered to be a
> > very grave abuse of position by a chair precisely because I
> was warned
> > that there was no prospect of getting a fair hearing as he was a
> > member of the IESG.
>
> Who was this? Can you fill me in on what happened?
>
> > I don't think we wish to go into old history again here.
> The point is
> > that there have been ADs who were also working group chairs in the
> > past and that this situation is not compatible with an open or fair
> > process.
> >
> > The reason I believe that there should be a fixed rule is
> that it is impossible to fix this situation after the problem
> has arisen without recognizing that there is a problem and
> thus endorse the implication that the AD in question has in
> fact abused their position as chair rather than merely
> recognizing the potential for abuse.
> >
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